Edward the Black Prince is my 20th great-uncle. His son, Richard II, is coming up in my Ancestry as “husband of 18th great-aunt.” I get confused with how the math works. I believe this means Richard II is my 1st cousin 19x removed. Checking for verification.

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  • Tracy L. Meyers The actual “relationship” is the last thing I’d be concerned with at this point. I’d be more concerned as to whether you have located, reviewed and critically analyzed EVERY document backwards from yourself to this person. That many generations back it is difficult to find physical evidence. Copying from anothers’ tree, presumably this is where you are seeing this “kinship” is not documented proof. Genealogy without documentation is mythology.

    Do remember that while many a royal has a “documented” and “affirmed” genealogy, many can be and are false. Too often a so called genealogist was hired to “authenticate” the person’s legal right to the throne, and that “genealogist” was paid handsomely to “document” as the “royal” instructed or the royal instructions to their henchman was OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!! So really these “genealogies” aren’t reliable.

    Present Queen included. Had thing gone differently through the ages and pages of history, she, nor her father and uncle and her grandfather before here would not have inherited the throne of England.

    So correct relational titles would be the least of my concerns

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    • Scott Hutchins Why don’t you just answer the question instead of being a skeptical jerkoff? It’s a simple enough question, and your diatribe is not relevant to the request. I’m happy to remove such thing from my tree when determined to be false. While informative, it’s very rude.
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    • Tracy L. Meyers Scott, you can add fantasy to tree if you like, but I’ll not help you do it.

      What’s worse, is once you do, many more clueless and gullible will see it and do the same as you, because if it is online it must be true; and they they the same if it is published in a book. Neither is fail-safe. Without physical documentation it is mythology and, I personally, wouldn’t be adding it to anything other than my research notes or book of myths

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    • Scott Hutchins Tracy L. Meyers It’s a pretty damn strong assertion that the work of other researchers is fantasy.
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    • Scott Hutchins Tracy L. Meyers your refusal to answer a simple question comes off as extremely rude unless you preface your additional info with a statement that you don’t know the answer, but I suspect that you do.
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    • Scott Hutchins Tracy L. Meyers My attitude is that it’s a hypothesis–something to work with. Prove it wrong if you like. I’d be happy to see you make a correction. https://www.wikitree.com/index.php…
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      Global Family Tree Connection Finder
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      Global Family Tree Connection Finder

      Global Family Tree Connection Finder

    • Scott Hutchins I had up though Hannah Alice Stewart with my own research before I saw this, so that would be a good place to start.
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    • Hakan Shakirov Scott, as an intellectual you should know that you doubt something until proven true. Not ‘believe something until it is proven wrong’
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    • Scott Hutchins Hakan Shakirov I didn’t say I believed it. do you know what hypothesis even means?
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    • Scott Hutchins Hakan Shakirov There has been a lot of research done on my father’s side of the family, both the Hutchins line and several other lines. I’m more concerned in identifying Ira Taylor (my 4th great-grandfather) and improving my mother’s side of the tree than I am in whether I’m really descended from Henry VII’s daughter. https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Taylor-34146
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      Ira Taylor (abt.1781-1862) | WikiTree FREE Family Tree
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      Ira Taylor (abt.1781-1862) | WikiTree FREE Family Tree

      Ira Taylor (abt.1781-1862) | WikiTree FREE Family Tree

    • Tracy L. Meyers Scott, I understand a hypothesis, and I work with them all the time. They do NOT, however, EVER go into my tree until proven.

      Many will say they add their hypothesis to their Ancestry tree to generate hints. There is no need, you do not need hints in order to research. One has the card catalog at their fingertips and other online resources from which to research a hypothesis.

      It is my practice to add only those “proven” – within the guidelines and standards of the Genealogical Proof Standards (GPS) as set out and outlined by the Board of Certified Genealogists (BCG) – NO you do not have to be a professional to follow these guidelines, they are actually for the novice (especially the novice) and the experienced alike – to my tree. Hypothesis, etc. are recordd recorded in my very detailed research notes and that‘s where they stay until “proven.”

      Unfortunately far too many, as I noted earlier, do not understand, or wish to, that something found online or published in a book does not make it fact. At least not necessarily. I won’t put something on my tree for this very reason, too many copy/paste and graft onto their family tree and tree rot sets in and quickly spreads like wild fire. I have viewed, more for entertainment then anything else, tree hints. And, every now and again, I actually find something that could be useful in jump starting my research for a particular ancestor or ancestral line. But, without documents for me to view and critically analyze that “clue” will NEVER see the light of day on my tree. Further research is required. And, the same with published genealogies, it is my greatest disappointment AND frustration that many published genealogies are without source citations, – the published work gives absolutely no clue as to where the information they included in the work came from and on what basis they believe it to be fact. So, I view these again as nothing more than a hint; as such, they do NOT go on my tree. It all however goes into my research notes, along with my findings as I make my way through the research process following the GPS I mentioned earlier.

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    • Desiree Jackson Scott you are on this page every few months with one of these fantasies of yours. Why on earth don’t you learn to do actual research and stop this nonsense. Every word Tracy said is 100% true and you would be wise to listen to it.
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    • Laura Andrews Scott Hutchins Wow so someone helps you and you call them a jerkoff because it disagrees with your “research”. Every genealogist should be skeptical until there is enough solid proof to prove different

      Back to your question..what is your question? You are asking what the relationship is between you and Richard ll , Im not sure how we would know unless we see your tree..but there are relationship charts online and if you are using a program such as FTM, Roots Magic Legacy etc.. and or using Ancestry site then it would tell you the relationship…You have trouble with the math I understand ( you said this)..then maybe take some time to learn more about how the relationships work before you go any further in your tree… otherwise.. I suggest instead of having an attitude and calling people rude to read what great helpful information that was shared with you.. even if it goes against what you want to hear.

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    • Scott Hutchins Laura Andrews I asked if it were correct that the son of my 20th great uncle would be my first cousin 19 times removed. The response I got was a refusal to answer my question followed by a non sequitur that I context of the refusal was rude.
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    • Scott Hutchins Desiree Jackson That’s not the point. The point was that it was a rude non-answer to my question.
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    • Scott Hutchins Desiree Jackson If you’re going to insist that it’s nonsense, provide some evidence to support your accusations.
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    • Laura Andrews Scott Hutchins You missed her point…How would anyone know if he is your 20th great uncle? Its so far removed that my guess is there is NO relationship at all.. you have to do the research once you do IF and thats a big IF there is a relationship it will tell you..That is Tracy’s point.. from what I read she did answer you.
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    • Scott Hutchins Desiree Jackson If it’s nonsense, you would show me a debunking, but you refuse.
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    • Laura Andrews Scott Hutchins Why should anyone debunk your tree.. you are pretty much asking them to do the work for you to find the connection..If you know its a true connection then you have it recorded it will tell you the relationship.. Nobody is going to do it for ya 🙂
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    • Larry Nolan Scott Hutchins No one here is required to give you an answer. People are tired of this stuff you post every few months. If you were actually doing real research and not these fantasies, then you would get answers. Until then, find the answer yourself.
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    • Desiree Jackson Scott Hutchins I would not spend 1/10th of a second looking at that fantasy tree of yours. I see your name here and I cringe, as I feel many others do to. You have ruined any chance you may have had to get help from people on this page. You insist on not doing any actual research, well then, find the proof or whatever the question is you are asking for yourself.
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    • Scott Hutchins Laura Andrews Reread my question, asshole. The son of a blood relative is going to be a blood relative, which “husband of 18th aunt” doesn’t tell me. You’re a rude-ass piece of shit dismissing this as fantasy without the slightest shred of evidence for your assertion. And that goes for every other dismissive, arrogant prick on this thread.
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    • Laura Andrews Scott Hutchins wow you really need to stop calling people names.You know people don’t forget, good luck getting any more help.
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    • Tracy L. Meyers “The son of a blood relative is going to be a blood relative”

      Scott, lineage wise that may be true. But at that ”distance” you really are of no relation at all. You are just wanting that “royal” connection.

      You were given the answer several times, in fact you were given options . . .

      1. DO the research yourself. Work this the proper way within the guidelines of the GPS, which is to work backwards from yourself methodically one person at a time collecting all the documents along the way. No document; no proof of a connection.

      2. If you are simply interested in deterining the accuracy of your statement and question, what is the son of an 18th Great Aunt and Uncle to me? GOOGLE IT!!! There are plenty of relationship charts out there. Simply find one with that many generations out or you can “extrapolate” out from one that you find with fewer generations.

      Fundamentally, the answer to your question is dependent on your ability to RESEARCH.

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    • Scott Hutchins Laura Andrews Is there anywhere on this thread where I got the help I asked for???
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    • Lilly Frigger Do you think you’re a prince? Is that why you won’t work?
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    • Scott Hutchins Tracy L. Meyers Try googling it yourself. I couldn’t get an answer. Maybe you’ll have better luck. I asked it, and it spit back simple questions like, “What relation is my great grandfather’s son to me? What is a 2nd great grandfather?

      How many 6th great grandparents do I have?
      Who is my grandfather’s brother to me?

      What do I call my dad’s cousin?”

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    • Scott Hutchins Lilly Frigger “Won’t”? You’re a fucking pathological liar.
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    • Scott Hutchins Tracy L. Meyers I found three cousin charts on Google, and they all stop at third, which makes everything clear as mud. My question remains unanswered 31 posts of obnoxiousness you started later.
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    • Becca Lewis Scott Hutchins No you are not going to get any help here, ever. And hopefully enough people report you to FB, you get kicked off of it too.
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    • Scott Hutchins Becca Lewis Just like a bunch of thugs to report a guy you treated like shit when he asked for help;.
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    • Scott Hutchins Laura Andrews That’s an obnoxious as fuck way to answer a theoretical question regarding proper terminology
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    • Larry Nolan Scott Hutchins You should seek help ASAP from the nearest mental health establishment. Better hurry and find them on Facebook, because after all reports on you, you won’t be on FB long.
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      This reminds me of all the way back when my case manager at Eddie Harris said “I’m being very calm and rational” as if it were a hendiadys, and calmness of speech makes nonsense of comments become magically rational.  I’m the bad guy in this situation because I used swear words when they attacked me and repeatedly refused to answer my question.  They also remind me of the people at Christ the King High School who drowned out everyone who disagreed with them.